it's not something i think most of us do to settle us done but it's what oscar did. >> shepard: seems like a weird time to go. sometimes it's noisy there. what other impressions did cow come away with after spending time with him? >> i liked oscar. i like oscar very much. he is a magnetic, charismatic, highly intelligent man. i think that my reaction to oscar is a pretty common one. oscar brought people to him. he is very relational, in my experience, he treated people, men and women, with respect. so, this is a shock, an absolute shock to me, it saddens me. it's not something i would have ever expected out of him. >> shepard: i heart heard people talk about him as having a violent streak. >> i didn't see it. he had a risk-taking streak. oscar drives his car, which is a racecar -- it's not something you can even get at normal dealership -- at literally 150-miles-an-hour. he crashed his speed boat. he races dirt bikes. this is a guy with a lot of physical daring. so i worried about him hurts himself. didn't see him hurting someone else. >> shepard: reading some quotes here. we should g